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David Brooks Confuses the United States with Greece

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Saturday, 19 November 2011 10:16

It is easy to get Greece and the United States confused, after all they are both in the northern hemisphere. Okay, this is a case where someone making the comparison puts their ignorance and/or dishonesty in full public view. The three reasons why we are not Greece, in reverse order of importance are:

1) Greece had chronic budget deficits, with a rising debt to GDP ratio even in the upturn. Its government has great difficulty collecting revenue as tax evasion is the major national sport. The United States actually had relatively modest deficits, prior to economic collapse in 2008. The debt to GDP ratio was actually falling. It was the economic collapse that gave us huge budget deficits.

If the economy recovers, ALL projections show that the deficit will return to relatively modest levels. In the longer term we are projected to have serious budget problems, but this is entirely due to our broken health care system. We pay more than twice as much per person as people in other wealthy countries. If we paid a comparable amount for our health care then we would be projecting budget surpluses, not deficits.

2) The United States has a huge diversified economy. If there was a run on the dollar then our goods would suddenly be hyper-competitive in the world economy. For example, if the dollar fell by 20 percent, then it would be equivalent to giving a 20 percent subsidy to all our exports and imposing a 20 percent tariff on all imports. Since the rest of the world would not tolerate this situation, they would have no choice but to support the dollar even in a worst case scenario. (In this respect, our productivity continues to grow by about 2.5 percent annually, so the economy is not going down the drain. We just need demand.)

3) We have our own currency. The ECB could buy Greek bonds and prevent the disaster it is facing. It is choosing not to. In the United States, this decision would be up to us. In a worst case scenario, we could have the Fed buy absolutely as many bonds as we want. There could be problems of inflation at some point, but we are very very far from that world.

In short, the comparison with Greece is utterly baseless. People are making this comparison to advance their agenda for cutting Social Security and Medicare. It absolutely should not be taken seriously.

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Do Returns to Ignorance or Dishonesty Diminish After 10,000 Hours?, Low-rated comment [Show]
Hell would be an infinite conversation with David Brooks
written by Stephen , November 19, 2011 2:07 PM
David Brooks' factual errors are too legion to count. Here are just a few off the top of my head.

-He has stated that at its outset, the US Civil War was fought over "racial inequality"
-Stated that Haiti is so poor largely because of "Voodoo"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/opinion/15brooks.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1263823214-M9kAbtRAHjc/Y+XzFJYE6Q

David Brooks is a thinking man... But a fool. He clearly reads a lot of tertiary sources for everything, and fills his mind with half baked ideas. Thinking a lot does not make you insightful if you absorb a bunch of gobbledigook and dont reflect for a single minute. David Brooks is a giant fog-machine. A purpleish, effete mist swathes every inch of his columns. The kind of writing that can only be enjoyed by society men in crushed velvet bathrobes, discussing the latest modern poetry before the boys come to visit...
10,000 hours
written by Stephen , November 19, 2011 2:11 PM
Oh, God, a Malcolm Gladwell reference. David Brooks' slightly more insightful liberal doppelganger. Where do you get this from? No, wait, don't tell me.
We Are Becoming Greece
written by Paul, November 19, 2011 4:27 PM
The Cons and Obama want to cut the Federal deficit and raise taxes because, as Obama said, as long ago as April, 2009, and many times since then, "we need to tighten our belts."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAawr9Lo7dg

Putting the U.S. on an austerity program is certain to produce the same disaster that is Greece today. Our only hope is that the Super Committee fails and Obama stops drinking the austerity kool aid.
Total Government Net Lending/ Borrowing as GDP % in 2010
written by AndrewDover, November 19, 2011 11:21 PM

-32.204 % Ireland
-10.586 % United States
-10.441 % United Kingdom
-9.57 % Greece
-9.5 % Japan
-7.303 % Portugal
-4.598 % Italy
-3.267 % Germany
-2.576 % China
2.375 % Korea
7.692 % Saudi Arabia

http://www.economywatch.com/ec..._Percenta
ge_GDP/


Time for Congress to do nothing, and let taxes rise in the next few years:

http://www­.offthecha­rtsblog.or­g/why-doin­g-nothing-­would-redu­ce-deficit­s-by-7-1-t­rillion/”
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written by Union Member, November 20, 2011 8:00 AM
Tax evasion is the major national sport for the 1% in the US.
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written by skeptonomist, November 20, 2011 10:03 AM
As a means of predicting the future, budget projections are worthless, no matter who does them. Before the stock-market crash of 2000, CBO projections showed the debt being paid off within a couple of decades. Projections can show the general effect of policy decisions over a few years, but most unforeseen or deliberately omitted events and conditions add to expenditures or reduce revenue. Tax rates should reflect this realistically.
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written by liberal, November 20, 2011 9:28 PM
skeptonomist wrote:

Before the stock-market crash of 2000, CBO projections showed the debt being paid off within a couple of decades.


IIRC Dean's pointed out a few times that that's because the CBO didn't factor in the fact that tax revenues were higher because of the dot com bubble and that that couldn't last.

(NB: Dean predicted the dot com bust before it happened. I followed him at the time, and that enabled me to move most of the money I had in equity mutual funds out before the crash. Yay. Ditto with not buying a house before the housing bubble burst.)
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written by liberal, November 20, 2011 9:33 PM
AndrewDover wrote:
Time for Congress to do nothing, and let taxes rise in the next few years...


Letting the Bush tax cuts for the non-rich lapse is pretty close to heresy in DC these day. (Maybe an argument could be made that they shouldn't be allowed to lapse during this nasty recession, but other than that I'm in agreement.)

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