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David Brooks on Debt: Can Someone Buy the Man an Intro Textbook?

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Tuesday, 05 June 2012 04:41

David Brooks is again prominently displaying his misunderstanding of economics in the New York Times. He told readers in today's column:

"Every generation has an incentive to borrow money from the future to spend on itself. But, until ours, no generation of Americans has done it to the same extent."

He then goes on to tell us that we are borrowing because we are more secure, arghhhhh!

Okay, let's try to put this so that even David Brooks can understand it. First, we are not borrowing money from the future. What does Brooks thinks this means, are we calling up the Ghost of Christmas Future and asking for a loan?

Borrowing occurs in the present, from some to others. At present, the government sector is the big borrower. It is borrowing from the private sector, but also in part from the Federal Reserve Board. Because the economy is so far below its capacity, the Fed can simply create money to lend to the government to finance spending. And, this borrowing is aiding the future by sustaining demand in the economy. If the government spent less (or taxed more), it would simply reduce demand and increase unemployment.

Brooks may have some magical view of the world where jobs grow up magically in the private sector when the government reduces spending, but in the real world we need a chain of causation. Can anyone tell a story where firms will be motivated to increase spending and hiring when demand drops further due to government cutbacks? There aren't many business owners who see their demand plummet and then go, "hey, great time to expand."

In the real world, the government's spending is employing our kids' parents. This will improve their educational outcomes and life prospects, making the future richer, not poorer. The benefits for the future are even greater when government money is spent on forms of investment like infrastructure, education, and research and development.

Those who are troubled by the borrowing from China and other foreign countries need to start yelling about the over-valuation of the dollar and shut up about the budget deficit. The United States borrows from foreigners because of the trade deficit -- not the budget deficit. The trade deficit is in turn determined primarily by the value of the dollar. If borrowing from China or anyone else is upsetting, then you should want to see the dollar fall to make U.S. goods more competitive internationally. The budget deficit has very little to do with this story.

Just to circle back to Brooks' psychological explanation for borrowing, if NYT columnists were expected to have any clue on the topics on which they write, then Brooks would be familiar with the wealth effect. This means that people consume based in part on their wealth.

In the 90s, people consumed based on the wealth that was created by the stock market bubble. This required no change in people's psychology -- they always spent based on the wealth they had in the stock market. They just never had so much wealth as when price to earnings ratios soared from their trend level of around 15 to 1, to more than 30 to 1 at their bubble peaks.

The same story applied to the housing bubble in the last decade. Homeowners always spent based on their housing wealth. However they never had as much housing wealth as when the bubble drove prices by 70 percent above their trend level.

If Brooks knew a bit of economics, he could have spared his readers from the 750 words of misinformation in this column. We would have more live trees and fewer confused NYT readers. 

 

btw, Brooks deserves special abuse for this assertion:

"Nations around the globe have debt-to-G.D.P. ratios at or approaching 90 percent — the point at which growth slows and prosperity stalls."

Sorry, this is fairy tale stuff. Yes, some respectable economists say it, but it's still silly. Countries that have had high debt to GDP ratios are largely in this category because of a weak economy. Think of Japan with a debt to GDP ratio that is now well over 200 percent. This was not due to fiscal excesses. This was the result of the collapse of its massive stock and housing bubbles in 1990.

A similar story can be told for most of the highly indebted countries. The causation went from slow growth to high debt. Brooks is just repeating a story from the one percent to rationalize the refusal by the government to take action to create jobs.

Comments (24)Add Comment
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written by Greg, June 05, 2012 6:11
Okay, let's try to put this so that even David Brooks can understand it. First, we are not borrowing money from the future. What does Brooks thinks this means, are we calling up the Ghost of Christmas Future and asking for a loan?


Honestly, it does sound like he's half-mangling an Econ 101 lecture. When talking about debt and interest, it is often described conceptually as purchasing present-day dollars with future-money.

This helps to explain why interest rates are related to inflationary expectations, as future-dollars are worth less than present-dollars owing primarily to inflation, and interest rates exist, in part, to recapture this discount.

Of course, in bypassing this part of that explanation, Brooks completely misses the point. Interest rates are super-low right now, implying that nobody expects serious inflation in the medium term. This means that right now is a great time to be borrowing and spending to kick-start the economy, and a relatively poor time to worry about paying down debt at the expense of the economy.
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written by JSeydl, June 05, 2012 6:22
There aren't many business owners who see their demand plummet and then go, "hey, great time to expand."


Priceless quote
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written by JSeydl, June 05, 2012 6:28
Those who are troubled by the borrowing from China and other foreign countries need to start yelling about the over-valuation of the dollar and shut up about the budget deficit.


Another priceless quote.
Brooks advocating for claw backs?
written by Robert Salzberg, June 05, 2012 7:18
If we accept Brooks's assumption that the current population is stealing from the next generation then the next step should be getting some of the money back.

As Dr. Baker points out, debt financed spending for things like education and infrastructure are investments in the future. But most of our borrowing is for the basic day to day services of government so today's and yesterday's population have been getting much more in services than they've paid for.

If we don't want increased taxes to decrease demand then we should tax those least likely to spend the money. Dead people for example.

I'm looking forward to a future Brooks's column about increasing the estate tax.
debt hysteria is a scam -#246
written by Joe Emersberger, June 05, 2012 7:42

Brooks deserves special abuse for this assertion:

"Nations around the globe have debt-to-G.D.P. ratios at or approaching 90 percent — the point at which growth slows and prosperity stalls."



Indeed he does deserve abuse, for the reasons you mention but also beacsue Sweden and Norway - two countries whose very high tax and very generous welfare state policies Brooks would never advoctae to save his life - have NEGATIVE net debt to GDP ratios. And Denmark's is very close to ZERO.

If guys like Brooks were as debt obsessed as they pretend then they'd be touting scandanivian economic policies constantly. Of course they never do because their debt hysteria is a scam.


Debt
written by jonny bakho, June 05, 2012 7:56
A country can choose to collect revenue. Or a country can choose to sell bonds and pay interest to bond holders, usually, the wealthy, but sometimes investors.

Why not just collect taxes from the wealthy instead of selling them bonds and paying them interest?

Brooks and the wealthy elites that he serves as mouthpiece don't want higher debt because they believe they will pay off the debt in higher taxes. However, that was the bargain that Reagan made in the early 1980s. A tax cut for the wealthy would be financed by higher payroll taxes on the Middle Class to "Fix Social Security". As the boomers retired, the taxes on the wealthy would return to their previous levels. The wealthy want to renege on their bargain and not pay for Social Security as it was agreed.

This is an abrogation of the wage contract that basically screws the Middle Class for the benefit of the Greedy Wealthy People. No Deal. The wealthy have been benefitting at our expense for decades. They need to pony up.
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written by Daniel, June 05, 2012 8:07
I am glad your back! Eschaston has a real problem with Brooks, also. Brook's commentary lately has really become loopy.
Talkin' 'Bout My Generation
written by Paul, June 05, 2012 8:16
"Every generation has an incentive to borrow money from the future to spend on itself. But, until ours, no generation of Americans has done it to the same extent."

Really David? How about the Greatest Generation? I seem to remember that they ran up a huge debt to fight WWII which made things infinitely better for my generation. Even fighting wars can be a good reason for incurring debt especially since that WWII debt is now worth less than $0.08 on the dollar.
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written by Chris, June 05, 2012 8:36
Brooks graduated from the U of Chicago with a degree in history. No training as an economist, but that doesn't stop him from opining on matters requiring some education as an economist. I gather U of Chicago graduates think they know just about everything.
One of Dean's best!
written by fairleft, June 05, 2012 8:36
And great comments too!

It is this stupid, this easy to summarize/criticize, the world economic policy consensus: "There aren't many business owners who see their demand plummet and then go, 'Hey, great time to expand!'"


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written by jerry, June 05, 2012 8:46
"A vote to keep Walker won’t be an antiunion vote. It will be a vote against any special interest that seeks to preserve exorbitant middle-class benefits at the expense of the public good."

Surprised you didn't comment on this little gem, and the astonishing lack of analysis that accompanies it.
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written by Dustin, June 05, 2012 8:54
Great post. Good to have you back, Dean.
distribution of debt
written by Peter K., June 05, 2012 9:37
It's like Bobo was trying to write the worst column ever. Read the Nocera column across the page.

He says people took on more debt because they were comfortable. They took on more debt to make up for lost income. As Mr. Baker points out it was the distribution of debt that was the problem, someting which occured because of conservative ideologue regulators like Greenspan not regulating.

Clinton had the budget balanced, Bush gave us tax cuts and 2 unfunded wars so that when the financial crisis hit, government debt levels were already up. The crisis made the situation worse with loss of tax revenues and more spending, but it could easily be solved with more economic growth.

If Bobo was truly in fact against bad debt levels, he should be in favor of more economic growth which would mean more stimulative monetary and fiscal policies.
HUH?
written by bailey, June 05, 2012 10:53
It's 2012, Brooks is NOT a newbie - why read him? How about addressing a flaw with MacroEconmics? Haven't we seen enough to declare FOR EVER that just printing money doesn't reinvigorate the economy? Truth seems pretty obvious to me - what counts, in addition to how much,is where money is allocated. The money we've printed in the last three years is ENORMOUS by any standard. But, if those who receive the largess don't spend or lend it in a way that proportionately impacts the 60% of consumers needed to reinflate the conomy - it only exacerbates the problem. The Fed prints money, buys worthless assets, grants absurd tax breaks and moneyCenter Banks invest their new bootie in markets creating yet another bubble - while making borrowing tougher & credit even harder to find. How does this benefit the 50% who don't own own share of stock? Trickle down? Be serious. Want another example, how about the measurements and methods we rely upon to monitor our Economic performance? Want another, why wasn't Baker invited (along with other leading lefty Economists) to Democratic Party economic strategy meeting in the Fall, 2008? I can't be the only votor aware he's the ONLY one who got (& spoke to) Glass-Steagal repeal, Boskin CPI reduction ad nausium, AND housing prospects IN ADVANCE? Could it be the real value Economists bring to the Democratic Party is to rationalize absurd policy, not to demand it make sense for our economic well-being?
Dean Baker is a treasure, one of our very few Economists who represent the social science well. For the most part, our Economists have failed us and their profession miserably and they deserve no more adulation or ridicule than David Brooks.
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written by Jay, June 05, 2012 11:33
Obviously Dean, the 1% have used their hoarded cash to create a flying DeLorean that allows them to borrow from their future children. I wouldn't mind borrowing from my future self but I doubt I'll have much money at this rate. Although, I wouldn't mind borrowing a sports almanac.
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written by AlanInAZ, June 05, 2012 11:46
I think Ken Rogoff is guilty of the statement that the 90% debt to GDP is some sort of tipping point. Although this may be a fairy tale it is one told by an economist with a large international following. I would be more worried about the influence of Rogoff than Brooks.
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written by PeonInChief, June 05, 2012 11:51
Obviously David Brooks didn't realize that Dean would be back in time to comment on his column and thought he'd get another pass--his column last week was equally stupid.
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written by fuller schmidt, June 05, 2012 12:14
David knows we are more secure because of his awesome power to completely disregard homelessness, hunger, unemployment, underemployment, etc.
Let's not get carried away
written by jumpinjezebel, June 05, 2012 2:20
I agree with all the points about stimulating the economy with every measure possible BUT just like getting a new Credit Card with 0% interest for a year - we should also not run up a big debt just because the cost of money is essentially zero today - it will not be zero tomorrow and then we have to pay. Just like the borrowed/squandered money pilfored from the Social Security Trust Fund - we now will have to begin to find the money to pay the TD's back (with Interest) just like the money we owe China and others. You can roll the snowplow through the snow but eventually you have to dump the snow somewhere or else you stop.
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written by skeptonomist, June 05, 2012 3:04
There are currently problems with debt, though not the ones Brooks pretends to be worried about (conservatives' concern with government debt is politically dependent; they will change their tune if Republicans take over the federal government). Private debt is too high (savings rate was too low). This has probably happened not because people are too secure, but because many people are vulnerable to victimization by banking and finance. People will pay absurd interest rates on credit-card debt and run up the balance until they are bankrupt. During the housing boom many people accepted impossible mortgage payment burdens. Banks themselves took on impossible debt burdens in trying to make profits with leverage. There must be regulation to limit the irresponsible expansion of private debt; neither consumers nor unregulated banks will do it by themselves.
Mr.
written by Roark, June 05, 2012 3:05
Dear Dean,

RE: "The United States borrows from foreigners because of the trade deficit -- not the budget deficit."

I am unclear on this point and wish to understand it better. I assumed the US gov't borrowed for the sake of covering the budget deficit--obtaining the dollars accumulating overseas made by the trade deficit, resulting from the strong dollar.

What am I missing? And how did this work prior to, say, the 1980s, which is when I think of when the US starting to borrow heavily abroad (from Japan & West Germany, so Reagan could have his big military build-up). What of the gov't deficits racked up during the post WW II boom, for example? Where did LBJ & Nixon get their funds to pay for the Vietnam War, to note a very significant US expenditure prior to Reagan's own military build up?

Here's hoping that you can treat this at fuller length. I would enjoy the economics lesson.

Thanks!

RWR
OKC, OK
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written by julio, June 05, 2012 7:50
Last time I had a terrible nightmare. I had borrowed heavily from the future, and the future mafia had invented a time machine, and sent a couple of guys to collect.
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written by Danny Black, June 07, 2012 7:49
"There aren't many business owners who see their demand plummet and then go, "hey, great time to expand." "

Can think of at least one business owner who thought exactly that - John D Rockefeller, you might have heard of him.

"Think of Japan with a debt to GDP ratio that is now well over 200 percent. This was not due to fiscal excesses. This was the result of the collapse of its massive stock and housing bubbles in 1990." - this is simply not true. Government debt to GDP went DOWN after 1990 and only started to go up after 94 when the Japanese presumably followed your advice, bought an intro text book and went on a Keynesian splurge.

Why doesn't the government just tax private banks as opposed to borrowing from them?
written by Mike B), June 11, 2012 10:52
Because the government is in the hands of the capitalist class?


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