Comments for The NYT Wants Debates Over Class to be Debates Over Culture at http://www.cepr.net , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://www.cepr.net Sun, 26 May 2013 01:55:52 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1420 Entitlements -- Enshitlementst If the people weren't smart enough / corrupt enough to pile up a bunch of dough during their working lifes, they deserve what they get / have. Right? Thanks and Regards, Your resident Libertarian. - Ethan Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:08:12 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1418 Floccina's proposal does nothing for the large number of people who couldn't get private insurance at any price. People with any kind of pre-existing condition (childhood asthma, a broken bone etc.) have to have employer-based insurance, as the private individual market won't touch them. - PeonInChief Fri, 09 Jul 2010 07:43:10 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1409 george soros makes billions a year, as does warren buffett. both are on the liberal side. perhaps they are right about everything? - andy Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:30:17 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1408 Since Mr Clinton, Mr. Moynahan and Dick Morris combined their charm and brain power and delivered "Welfare Reform" to us, I don't think that there are any entitlements any more. Maybe Food Stamps which amount to a hill of beans and Medicaid, which is incredibly hard to qualify for unless you have children. TANF is available only to families with children and then only for 5 years. Social Security is a pension fund with benefits prepaid during the beneficiary's working life. Medicare is a medical insurance policy with premiums deducted from the Social Security pension payments. Neither is an 'entitlement" that you get just for being a citizen of the USA. If you don't pay in, you don't get anything out. If they are going to cut what I get out, I should be able to stop paying in. I could use the money now, and I will take my chances later. Personal choices and responsibility, right? - pragmatic realist Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:35:09 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1406 Peon, floccina expects that higher income people would buy insurance which would either eliminate their deductible, or lower it to a few thousand dollars. - AndrewDover Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:18:25 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1405 to floccina-- what would you expect people to live on after paying that deductible? One surgery and a short hospital stay would have these families in bankruptcy. - PeonInChief Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:53:38 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1404 It's not fair to expect the NYT to note that things change in 40 years. I wonder if they've noticed that the Dixiecrats have become Republicans yet? - PeonInChief Thu, 08 Jul 2010 07:51:11 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1401 [i]If per person health care costs were the same as in the U.S. as any other wealthy country, then the United States would be looking at enormous surpluses in the long-term, not deficits. [/i] Cutting health care spending is a laudable goal but the current proposals do little to achieve that. It is important to remember that health care spending in the USA has always been much higher than in the rest of the world even before they socialized medicine (some have even caught up a little since socializing). This puts the effectiveness of socialization in controlling health care spending in doubt. If the median voter's whole target for health care reform was controlling cost then socialization could do wonders but it is not. They want every thing that their current plans provide and more. IMO over treatment is the biggest problem in health care today but few are talking about it. Below is my health care proposal it would address the over treatment and encourage cost control while providing health care for all: http://un-thought.blogspot.com/2009/09/healthcare-compromise.html [i]The state would provide insurance to all Americans but the annual deductible would be equal to the family’s trailing year adjusted income minus the poverty line income (say $25,000 for a family of 4) + $300. So a family of 4 with a trailing year adjusted income of $30,000 would have a deductible of $5,300. A family of 4 with a trailing year adjusted income of $80,000 would have a deductible of $55,300. Middle class and rich people could fill the gap with private supplemental insurance but this should be full taxed. This would encourage the middle class and rich, who are generally capable people, to demand prices from medical providers and might force down costs. They could opt to pay for most health-care out of pocket while the poor often less capable would be protected. [/i] - floccina Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:30:19 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1400 Efficient markets drive out crony capitalism. It's shocking to see the establishment lining up for too-big-to-fail. - fuller schmidt Thu, 08 Jul 2010 04:15:11 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1398 Neo-cons at the New York Times have followed in the footsteps of those like Ben J. Wattenberg who deserted the New Deal when the “unwashed” (new left, anti-war types and African Americans) became vocal in the Democratic party. The New York Times is an empty vessel mimeographing Neo-con points of view from inside its bunker. - Scott ffolliott Thu, 08 Jul 2010 03:48:25 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1396 i think it is a quandary for the issue of who pays for the poor- liberals want the wealthy to pay (socialism) while conservatives want no one to pay (free market)- dean presents a more rational approach in trying to reform health care so that it's cheaper for all, but this side steps the ethical point- jesus put it bluntly: if im sick, hungry and naked whatre u gonna do, take me in or turn your back? - frankenduf Thu, 08 Jul 2010 03:12:32 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-nyt-wants-debates-over-class-to-be-debates-over-culture#comment-1394 [quote]The focus on "culture" rather than economics leads to further confusion throughout the piece.[/quote] Who is your nanny? Glenn Beck's message is that the nanny state is taking over our freedom, but because of the cultural fault line, he makes $30M a year doing it while Dean Baker makes a pittance in comparison. Glenn Beck's message is that the nanny state is driven by violent liberals who read the wrong books in the '60s and are carried on today by followers who desire nothing less than the demise of their enemies. Dean Baker says the nanny state is driven by rich conservatives who use it to enrich themselves. Who's correct? Let the market decide, not cultural fault lines. Anyone who makes $30M a year can't be wrong. - izzatzo Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:22:44 +0100