Comments for Misleading Claims on the Keystone Pipeline: Brought to You By Our Friends at Washington Post at http://www.cepr.net , comment 1 to 12 out of 12 comments http://www.cepr.net Wed, 22 May 2013 10:34:38 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13602 With our ditherin the Prime Minister has threatened to ship the oil to Asia. Why not to us? The thought of a 1600 mile pipeline going through the heart of the country seems absurb. - Mike Schoenberg Tue, 20 Dec 2011 05:29:07 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13593 Oil companies lie - all the time - about everything - even when they don't have to. Did you know a huge part of their jobs creation is a formula that says 1 gas pump job is created for X amount of gas - so they take credit for the job creation of selling their product? - mcarson Mon, 19 Dec 2011 15:51:11 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13591 @Dean I realized what you were saying, but my point is that it is a distinction with little difference to make an issue of the fact that the 20,000 jobs aren't all in construction, or that that unemployment among construction workers is really "only" 13.1%. I agree that the Post should try to print accurate facts, but I don't see the inaccurate facts they printed as materially affecting the issue. The important question at hand is whether the pipeline should go ahead or not. @BillB, Lex There are reasonable people who disagree. Here's Jim Hamilton's take: http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2011/12/costs_and_benef.html - DrJim Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:57:27 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13585 It's amazing how many of the 'drill, drill, drill' Republicans here in Nebraska are totally up in arms about this pipeline. I guess it's a different story when oil is dumped in your backyard. - FoonTheElder Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:01:40 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13569 The problem, DrJim, is that while 20,000 jobs is, indeed, 20,000 jobs, the likelihood is that TransCanada's fatuosu claims notwithstanding, the project will not create anywhere near 20,000 jobs even if you count the hookers. Direct job creation of somewhere between 1,200 and 2,500, for two years, is a more reasonable estimate. - Lex Mon, 19 Dec 2011 03:39:45 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13563 It is also worth noting that, according to TransCanada, it is not really 20,000 new jobs. It is 10,000 jobs for two years, which is quite different than most people would think. Just routine deception by the pipeline proponents. - BillB Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:47:41 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13562 Dr. Jim you're welcome to believe whatever you want about 20,000 jobs -- it is about equal to what we should expect from a decline in the value of the dollar of 0.03 percent. If you are apparently excited about the prospect of 20,000 jobs being created by the pipeline, I trust that you would be 10 times as excited about the prospect of a decline in the dollar of 0.3 percent. I actually did not say what I thought about the pipeline. I said that people should put the numbers in some context and that the Post let the industry print an inaccurate number about unemployment in the construction industry. - Dean Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:33:34 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13559 I'm a pretty liberal guy, but I'm not crazy about your post. 20,000 jobs is 20,000 jobs and nothing to sneeze at, whether they are in construction or somewhere else. If you want to criticize the pipeline, do so on the basis of environmental concerns, not because 20,000 jobs is somehow a bad thing. Unfortunately for the most outspoken critics, I for one don't think the environmental concerns amount to much ... it's not that hard to reroute the pipeline around the sensitive areas protesters claim to be concerned about. You'd be more likely to change my mind about the pipeline by showing me that is incorrect than by trying to convince me 20,000 jobs don't really matter too much. - DrJim Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:20:16 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13557 Nowhere do you mention that your unemployment rate is not seasonally adjusted. Anyone that goes to www.bls.gov and retrieves the series below will realize the SA unemployment rate for November will always be higher than the NSA figure. LNU04032224 - Jay Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:25:15 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13554 Ridiculous discussion. All good Republicans know that government spending doesn't create jobs. - mcdruid Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:40:59 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13553 This pipeline must be nothing more than a Koch Bros pork project. It will have no impact on employment or gasoline prices. - joe Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:12:09 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/misleading-claims-on-the-keystone-pipeline-brought-to-by-our-friends-at-washington-post#comment-13552 Your numbers are on the mark and only idiots and liars dispute them. I would like to see some comment on all the reporting claiming Keystone catching President Obama on the horns of an environmentalists vs. labor dilemma. Labor is only going to really care if those 10k jobs are union jobs. On a three year construction timeline 10k skilled trades jobs would produce $15,000,000 or more in dues; more than enough to buy a congressman or three or a senator in addition to padding union office salaries or creating more staff. So are there going to be that many union jobs? If not organized labor is not likely to much care. Does anyone out there have any solid information they do? - Jim Forrester Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:27:36 +0100