Comments for George Will Definition of "Rationing" Is When the Government Does Not Pay for Something at http://www.cepr.net , comment 1 to 15 out of 15 comments http://www.cepr.net Sun, 19 May 2013 00:56:13 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19447 Rationing of health care is when 25% of your population is uninsured or underinsured in a society where health care costs are significantly higher than the rest of the developed world. This assures that these people are unlikely to get the care needed to prevent medical problems until they get very desparate and costly. Or they just die from the lack of care, like 40,000 Americans do each year. - FoonTheElder Tue, 09 Oct 2012 07:13:36 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19357 One thing is clear, david j michel jr, has no hispanic friends. - David Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:03:14 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19340 thank god for obama care,now all my friends from mexico can get free health care.and under obamas dream act they can get a free college education.you americans are so generous. - david j michel jr Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:30:52 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19337 Wisdom Seeker: You should help pay for my bad habits because I'm going to help pay for yours. Such is the nature of insurance. - S.D. Jeffries Fri, 05 Oct 2012 17:17:13 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19335 George Will doesn't like rationing because he isn't rational. - David Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:46:35 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19333 The moral hazard that afflicts the financial sector is rampant in health care. Everyone wants somebody else to pay for their lifelong afflictions; nobody want to take care of himself or herself. Just as an example: Why should sensible, low-risk people have to pay for risk-seekers' skiing, snowboarding, bicycle and other injuries? If we want a sensible system, we cannot subsidize risky behavior and we cannot afford monopolistic pricing. It is as true in healthcare as it is in finance. - Wisdom Seeker Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:51:46 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19331 I think the acronym is IPAB. - posted from my iPAD. :-) - Barry Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:08:10 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19326 They vehemently opposed any type of structure closed to Islam around WTC. Now, that's rationing religion. Where's the outrage of NO Religion Freedom? - James Fri, 05 Oct 2012 08:14:52 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19324 It's good to know that under the George Will Standard of Rationing by Government, since the Pentagon will pay for anything and everything it never rations, spending hundreds of billions on useless defense systems in many cases that the Pentagon doesn't even want. Economists are conducting studies to determine if the Paul Ryan model for health care is secretly modeled on Pentagon spending in order to maximize total revenue through the highest possible prices combined with maximum moral hazard. - Last Mover Fri, 05 Oct 2012 06:38:10 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19322 The critics of the IPAD just blow my mind. The headline is exactly right--it is "rationing" if the government won't pay for it, but if the government gives you a voucher to pay for your care and it is not enough that's the market! Everybody knows there is waste in the system, especially people in the system, some deliberate some not. There has been a real attempt to deal with some of this by some MDs themselves in areas such as imaging and some forms of cancer where the outcomes are well established, and outcomes research has increased tremendously in the last few years. Of course the other MDs are fighting IPAD under " doctor-patient" nonsense. It is worth noting that part of the way Medicare came about was an alternative to "socialized medicine" which the AMA was absolutely set against (to the point that the were supportive of the tobacco companies). However it is difficult for people to make major changes in medical treatment unilaterally--you really do need an outside party to kind of weed things out and it is pretty well established that insurance companies do not do this, they just try to game the system as best they can. I believe the actual creation of the IPAD is directly related to the overall growth of Medicare, so if the growth in spending is contained it may not actually happen. - Jennifer Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:49:01 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19319 [b]Floccina[/b] wrote, [quote]I am sure that if republicans called for the Independent Payment Advisory Board the Democrats would be shouting "death panels".[/quote] That's not really fair. Republican attempts to kill this kind of health care containment mechanism go pretty far back (see e.g.[url]http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/blast-from-the-past-back-pain-ahcpr-newt/[/url]). Now, of course, it's not like most Democrats or even fairly liberal people are all crying for these kinds of rational budget constraints; a common liberal/left "dream" is single payer, combined with the usual idiotic "decisions should be left only to the doctor and patient" crazy talk. But AFAICT there are [i]no[/i] voices on the right for using such top-down government mechanisms to control costs. And it's clear why that should be the case: "conservatives" think the "free" market can never fail, so all you have to do to contain costs is "increase competition" and have the government do less, even though both theory and empirical data show that the health care market is so rife with market failure that the only path to a rational health care system is one in which both the insurance and the health care (well, at least the basic health care that most people need) is provided by government. [quote]It is a shame to see that even George Will has been corrupted by politics.[/quote] You're kidding, right? You've never heard of DebateGate? - liberal Fri, 05 Oct 2012 04:52:10 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19318 [b]Floccina[/b] wrote, [quote]How is not paying for care that does work not conservative?[/quote] If it doesn't enrich rent-collecting parasitic scum, then it's not "conservative". - liberal Fri, 05 Oct 2012 04:44:14 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19315 "When the Government Does Pay for Something" I think the headline is meant to say "Does Not" rather than "Does" - Clifton Fri, 05 Oct 2012 04:01:07 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19314 I am sure that if republicans called for the Independent Payment Advisory Board the Democrats would be shouting "death panels". It is a shame to see that even George Will has been corrupted by politics. - Floccina Fri, 05 Oct 2012 03:42:39 +0100 http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/george-will-definition-of-qrationingq-is-when-the-government-does-pay-for-something#comment-19313 How is not paying for care that does work not conservative? People seem to forget that they can still put up their own money if they want a procedure (that show no net benefit). George Will must really want old people to vote republican. What we need are some conservative conservatives. - Floccina Fri, 05 Oct 2012 03:36:17 +0100